Water flame and how to do it

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using hydrogen gas is very common in my profession - goldsmith - and one can buy welding machines that use that technique
about 2000 €. in germany there are at least 3 companies manufacturing them. an example: an average (ac-)machine uses
350 W to produce 80 litres of gas.
thats a quite expensive way of producing energy.
but maybe a lot of it is used for the trafo and it`s cooling!? the results could be better on dc...
but since that method is rather old and well known i can`t imagine that all those people working on it still were not capable to
make it more efficent.
well, hope i`m wrong and good luck to all the experimentators Wink

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adam2 wrote:

catfish,

I realise the gas does not need any air, I mean to say run a closed system through the air intake of the vehicle, with it sucking the gas only. I guess the hard part is creating the vacuum. Have you seen the joecell videos on google video? If you do a search for "joecell" or "joe cell" you will find one particular video with some guy taking about the timing of the distributor. I have also heard some discussion relating to the frequency of the cell playing an important role as well.

Good luck in your endeavours

Smile

This is a real smart comment for 2 reasons. As Atmospheric computer models have shown that If hydrogen fuel is rolled out world wide in the same way that natural gas is and leaks the same amount of hydrogen as natural gas is leaked now(hydrogen would leak more as it is the smallest atom) then the world as we know it would be gone. Not alarmist, just true. Storing hydrogen is not feasible short of storing it as a solid or liquid. producing it in a vacuum just before use is. Hydrogen produced in a vacuum could not leak as a leak would cause outside air to enter, not vice versa and that could be detected. A turbocharger like unit and a leak free injector. Also a regulated amount of gas would be needed for injection to prevent knock, stalls and prolong the life of the engine. This has the affect of shrinking what needs to be over engineered to what is under the hood.

(For this post I chosen to operating under the presupposition that the electrical resonance produces a 200% excess of power) Although I doubt it would be over unity.

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Catfish

Just like to congratulate you on what you've done, are doing. I like what you write, cuts through the abysmal scepticism that most of us suffer from. I am just getting into all of this, and am really at the research (internet) stage right now, gleaning what I can about the water fuel hydrogen lie. I will want to try to install a hybrid H2 system in my car sometime soon, and it would be great to have the encouragement/advice of someone like you.
Regards. Alan

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If you want to run a lawnmower engine on the system I described first you will need to remove the carb and get an airtight seal with a reduction in pipe to 2mm or less, make sure you have a bubbler to control the backfire, also pulsing the dc current will allow a rest time for the bubbles to surface, you'll have to play with it to get it right. Start with the tiniest amount of electrolyte and work up, you need less than you think. Then you need to remove the lazy spark from the magneto (use another magneto to switch the circuit).

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I'd love a demonstration xD but it sounds like you're from up north, bit of an expenditure to get up there. Sad

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Our videos up to now:

http://www.youtube.com/user/waterboost

Tripled you need to get this:

http://www.hotlinkfiles.com/files/318397_izvkm/RAVI_STANLEY_MEYER_REPLICATION_WATER_FUEL_CELL_4_SEP_2007.zip

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	catfish wrote:
	Our videos up to now: http://www.youtube.com/user/waterboost Tripled you need to get this: http://www.hotlinkfiles.com/files/318397_izvkm/RAVI_STANLEY_MEYER_REPLICATION_WATER_FUEL_CELL_4_SEP_2007.zip

Cheers catfish!

Tripled

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- A debunking of some of the fraudulent videos out there.

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I work on a lot of cars engines and I know there is a better way forward than petrol,

if you have a kit for sale I would be very interested, I get 20mpg, I now pay £1.07 per litre of fuel, that's over $2 per litre or $8 a gallon.

Car engineers tend to be the most brain washed people on the planet, they are so arrogant and blind to new ideas.

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I have just spent 5 days researching all kinds of people from Stanley, Joe Cell and Browns gas and the HHO welders and cutters, I have looked at lots of different HHO systems and ways to make these HHO systems, I am going to buy a big 12 to 24 volt transformer with 120 amps of current and make a HHO water cell generator.

I was looking at the over unity website and there is so much info on there that I can't absorb in a few days.

I don't think my first cell will be that good but I will endeavour to make something functional and cheap, the idea of being able to burn and melt tungsten is amazing to me.

I would really want to get my car running on HHO alone without the petrol but I will just add it as a booster system.

I will post updates and let you know what happens.

Last edited by ShadowWorks on Fri Apr 11, 2008 9:06 am; edited 1 time in total

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You can use solar to generate HHO.

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well, you spent a whole 5 days "researching" all the crap-ola on the net regarding the generation of hydrogen from water etc etc...

seems to me it would take you that long atleast to just get through Meyers.

just try not too blow yourself up using that electrolysis stuff with a car.

if your really serious read Meyers info on his injectors and take a serious stab at producing one, get some help from a machinist if required.

Cheers;
Tripled

PS: seems as though your on the other side of the pond. maybe you should try to get in touch with others over there, namely the person who started this thread.

ShadowWorks wrote:

I have just spent 5 days researching all kinds of people from Stanley, Joe Cell and Browns gas and the HHO welders and cutters, I have looked at lots of different HHO systems and ways to make these HHO systems, I am going to buy a big 12 to 24 volt transformer with 120 amps of current and make a HHO water cell generator.

I was looking at the over unity website and there is so much info on there that I can't absorb in a few days.

I don't think my first cell will be that good but I will endeavour to make something functional and cheap, the idea of being able to burn and melt tungsten is amazing to me.

I would really want to get my car running on HHO alone without the petrol but I will just add it as a booster system.

I will post updates and let you know what happens.

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I'd love to hope, but we have more testimonies of cancer cures than well, not even a single testimony of water = free fuel. Even our friends at bt-chat / nzb-chat haven't reported on it.

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I did make a basic HHO generator but I am pretty sure it is the water content of the gas that makes the power, the HHO may actually help complete the burn but without finite analysis of the exhaust gas composition I won't have all the parts to this jigsaw.

On a brighter note I have been reading about the wonders of Steam Power, I have spent weeks looking for relevant data, I found a patent for a steam generator on the exhaust manifold, it basically makes steam which is then feed into the air intake manifold, the wet steam then splits into Hydrogen and Oxygen at 1000 degrees Celsius at around 25 degrees After top dead centre, this controls ping so timing can be more advanced and cools the engine, the patent claims 20% increase in power with a 20% increase in fuel savings, I am still working on the boiler and intake jet for the steam, I will post the results and let you know if its takes off.

Honda and BMW are making the very same type of systems to recover the lost heat energy in the exhaust gas, Honda has made 26Hp with only 13% efficiency or recovery, now imagine 50% recovery.