I have come to this forum with respect, intend to treat all persons here with respect and would expect to be so treated in return.
RACISM IS A RELIGIOUS PROBLEM?
The above claim is entirely unsupported by the observable facts and evidence in life. In fact the statement itself is bigoted in nature.
For Opposing Digits to maintain that their 'belief' in this maxim is true, and therefore they do not wish to have contact or support or dialogue from people from a faith based background is in itself bigotry. The very same bigotry that they claim is solely manifested in people of faith.
The Proofs Against the Claim
Please examine the website of the British Humanist Association (BHA).
"Humanism is the belief that we can live good lives without religious or superstitious beliefs. Humanists make sense of the world using reason, experience and shared human values. We seek to make the best of the one life we have by creating meaning and purpose for ourselves. We take responsibility for our actions and work with others for the common good."
This looks absolutely tremendous, if true. These people are 'hardcore' atheists, who want everyone to live their lives according to their own freedom to choose. Or do they? When we examine their views in respect of their Education Policy, found at:
"Religious or 'faith schools' or 'schools of a religious character' and why the BHA would like to see them phased out."
The BHA would like to get rid of faith based schools. They do not want people of different faiths being able to educate their OWN children according to the teachings that they believe are most correct in life. The Humanists do not TOLERATE people of faith and wish to CONTROL their lives by IMPOSING their own educational standards on OTHER peoples children. They do not BELIEVE that other people of faith have the RIGHT to educate their own children and that they must remove that right from all of them. This is SECULAR DICTATORSHIP.
The most important thing to understand from these people is that they have no faith and wish to IMPOSE their non-faith on others. This conduct is diametrically opposed to tolerance. And isn't it amazing how here in the UK the Church of England schools are happy with the Methodist schools to teach how they see fit, who are in turn happy with the Catholic schools to educate as they see fit, who are in turn happy with the Jewish schools to educate how they see fit. who are in turn happy for the Muslim schools to educate how they see fit.
In Summary
The ONLY group in the UK that wishes to impose its own world view on the education system are the atheists; the respective groups of theists are all happy to see each other educating in accordance with their respective belief systems.
In Conclusion
This is both BIGOTRY (racsim against religious groups) and INTOLERANCE (we will educate your children, not you) by atheists, so please do not attempt to paint us believers with a single brush, the brush of bigotry, whilst the atheists of the world have had their fair share of bigotry and intolerance in the history of the world.
Moving Forward
It is a complaint you make that whilst certain parties like to highlight problems out there, they do not put forward solutions to the problems.
Therefore, I would respectfully request that you remove the factually incorrect claim from the opening page of your webpage, which claims that all of Daryl Bradford Smith's and Eric Hifschmidt's supporters are Christians and bigots. This is deeply insulting to Muslims like myself, who respect the work that these two men have done to expose the work of zionists, who are acting against ANYONE who is not zionist like themselves.
Good Work
You seem to have a lot of good information on this site and some interesting posts. Please do not undermine it by showing you own intolerance and bigotry against people of faith.
Atheistic not Christian
You should also all be aware that Daryl and Eric are absolutely not Christians, they are inclined towards atheism in fact, and they have often queried me as to why I believe in God, glory and praise be to Him, since they themselves do not subscribe to such beliefs. They are not bigoted against my beliefs and they are happy for me to have them, and likewise I am very happy for them to believe whatever they wish, as long as their beliefs do not result in the harm of other people. When we examine these two persons, we see whatever their beliefs they are motivated against injustice, tyranny and oppression, wherever they find it and in whatever group. Not only do their personal beliefs not result in the harm of other people, but they believe that the groups harming other people should be stopped.
Zionism - a movement
And the sad fact is however, we have to accept and acknowledge that zionists have been major instigators behind many of the worlds wars and genocides over the last 200+ years. Therefore, they have been the direct cause of considerable harm to many others. Whether they were Ashkenazi jews, Sephardi Jews, convert Jews, Christian zionists or atheist zionists, it is all irrelevant. They subscribe to zionism and have supported the view that non-zionists, if in their way, are legitimate targets. Period. Making this statement is not racism, it is also not bigotry, this is just plain, objective fact. Daryl and Eric have always been clear about the fact that they oppose zionism and zionists, whatever their persuasion.
Zionism and Meaning
In the course of Daryl and Eric's work they have swapped information with, and interviewed, many people from a Christian background, as well as from other belief systems. The reason for this is obvious. Muslims and Christians have been on to the subject of zionism and zionists for decades, since the zionist movement has personal meaning to them in terms of their faith. This personal meaning caused them to study and investigate this movement, which has acted secretly and out of the view of the mainstream lens (which they own), until they perpetrated the highly public 9/11 mass murder. This evil act has brought zionism and zionists to everyone's front door. Therefore, anyone who does not go to those people with decades of experience of zionists, whilst simultaneously proclaiming to be experts on zionism and zionists, would by definition be a charlatan. Admittedly, the information from the different faith=based groups may take a bit of sifting through, because fact sometimes gets interwoven with meaning. But the objective is to get at the facts to understand the nature of 'the beast'.
I believe that Daryl and Eric have worked hard and sincerely to get at these facts and truths behind the various faith-based meanings, and they have spent considerable amount of their personal time and effort trying to do this. It is also my sincere belief that they have distilled much of the fact and made it presentable in a form that can be understood by groups of any faith or belief. Finally, I would also state that Daryl and Eric have always taken great pains to explain that they are not anti-Jewish or anti-Sephardi or anti-Ashkenazi or anti- anyone on the grounds of belief. They are simply anti-zionist, which of course is not bigotry by any measurable standard.
Respectfully,
Muhammad.
Sat Sep 08, 2007 6:23 pm
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Your first post sucked so bad, I disabled your account. Go pray to your racist God.. I'm sure you'll get farther doing that.
Wow, great reply. Reminds me of Fox News, you're like an alternative media Bill O'Reilly when you don't like what someone says or don't have an answer just cut his mic off.
Sun Sep 09, 2007 12:58 am
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Please show me a Christian forum that's more tolerant. I get banned from them just for quoting from their Bible (using facts). The only time they whine about censorship is when they're on someone else's turf.
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racism
racism
n 1: the prejudice that members of one race are intrinsically
superior to members of other races
2: discriminatory or abusive behavior towards members of
another race [syn: {racialism}, {racial discrimination}]
-- From WordNet (r) 2.0
They re-wrote this one for the Jew (which isn't a race):
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racist
adj 1: based on racial intolerance; "racist remarks"
2: discriminatory especially on the basis of race or religion
[syn: {antiblack}, {anti-Semitic}, {anti-Semite(a)}]
n : a person with a prejudiced belief that one race is superior
to others [syn: {racialist}]
-- From WordNet (r) 2.0
Must be nice being able to make up the definition of a word.
Sun Sep 09, 2007 6:46 am
Gunther VIP
Joined: 09 Jun 2006 Posts: 358 Location: You Already Know Where I Am!!!
Is this the same guy that TFC used to interview... maybe you could have let him stick around for a while, he could have learned something... not that I know much, but I know what I don't know.
The root of the problem is the (mind controlled) religious segregations trying to confront realistic problems, they do well when studying selective histories, but when confronted with the fact that it's the religion itself (another tool, created and controlled) that has enabled these problems to arise, they turn a blind eye to historical facts...
Like my Pakistani friend said "If man is made in God's image, then ____________________. (you fill in the blanks)"
It's all about the loot... follow the money trail, is what they all cry... but who are some of the biggest corporations on this trail...
Try to start from scratch, let go of who you think you are and be open... stay open, but don't pussyfoot the situation. This is WAR... and these psychos mean business!!!
Fri Nov 09, 2007 8:39 am
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Joined: 05 Mar 2006 Posts: 688 Location: Hell on earth
maybe u should let us argue with them for a little while b4 straight out banning them... then again ull get farther trying to get ur point across with a brick wall... brainwashed ppl are hard to deal with... sadly i dont know how to braindirty(?)... religion has been a tool used to control the masses as far back as recorded HISstory, and prolly even farther back.... were all looking for answers to lifes biggest questions.... that doesnt mean u have to believe the first jackass to give u an answer.... and if ur stupid enough to just take their word for it then u deserve to be manipulated....
if u have a belief thats great.... if u believe ur religion/belief is better then everyone elses , dont get mad when ppl who arent fooled by ur nonesense retaliate because u wont shut the fukk up and believe quitely like the rest of us... to all christians: let me know when ur imaginary sky daddy comes to town so i can kick him square in the nuts and prevent him from creating more ignorant dumbshits that destroy uniqueness and individuality...
its ok to have a belief.... but when ur belief says its not ok for me to believe differently then be prepared to prove urs or im gonna show u how painful some beliefs can be....
Sat Nov 10, 2007 4:08 am
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Because of the TOS here, and cpu limitations, this can't be a "free speech" forum, and we've already made it what it is. Consistency is important. Most of these people are just pissed off and just want to retaliate with name calling, lies, and other time wasting nonsense. I have a fight bin, feedback forum, waste dump, mosh pit and people still want to talk trash in the important forums.
Incase someone isn't knowledgeable enough to see through the bs in his post:
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I have come to this forum with respect, intend to treat all persons here with respect and would expect to be so treated in return.
Hot air - waste of space and time. Should be in "Say Hello" forum if anything.
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The above claim is entirely unsupported by the observable facts and evidence in life. In fact the statement itself is bigoted in nature.
I'll assume this definition for this:
2. A person who regards his own faith and views in matters of
religion as unquestionably right, and any belief or
opinion opposed to or differing from them as unreasonable
or wicked. In an extended sense, a person who is
intolerant of opinions which conflict with his own, as in
politics or morals; one obstinately and blindly devoted to
his own church, party, belief, or opinion.
[1913 Webster]
I'm not dealing with "beliefs" or "opinions", religious people are. I know the Bible is errant, racist, female oppressing, etc. These are undeniable facts which means this guy is just a name calling liar.
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For Opposing Digits to maintain that their 'belief' in this maxim is true, and therefore they do not wish to have contact or support or dialogue from people from a faith based background is in itself bigotry.
This is again a false statement, and a continuance of trashing the site in an inappropriate forum. We have had dialog here with respectful Christians, and some Christians do support us for the health information.
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These people are 'hardcore' atheists, who want everyone to live their lives according to their own freedom to choose. Or do they?
Religion represents coercion. People in religion are captivated by their faith and make far reaching decisions based on lies. It doesn't matter if one religion is correct either, because most people will be in the wrong religion making bad decisions (as if there was a right one). These decisions affect the world around us. For example, my penis is mutilated because of Christianity. Witches are currently being killed in Papua New Guinea: http://opposingdigits.com/vlog/?p=2068 as if they haven't been throughout history. Homosexuals are harassed, beaten and killed for their sexual preferences while people that poison us go untouched. Children get beaten with rods, people are robbed by the religious leaders, women are raped all because of these sick religions. These aren't free choices, they're coerced choices.
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The most important thing to understand from these people is that they have no faith and wish to IMPOSE their non-faith on others.
That's about as ridiculous as a smoker claiming their right to smoke is more important than the non-smokers right to clean air.
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This conduct is diametrically opposed to tolerance.
Some branches of Judaism are ok with raping 3 year olds. Where would your tolerance end?
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This is both BIGOTRY (racsim against religious groups)
That's like calling someone racist for calling a religion racist.
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we will educate your children, not you
Better off to not have you raising them to be genital mutilating, witch killing, female oppressing, slave mongering kids imho. I'd see it as self defense.
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This is deeply insulting to Muslims like myself, who respect the work that these two men have done to expose the work of zionists, who are acting against ANYONE who is not zionist like themselves.
I'd be more insulted by the fact that DBS and Eric think you're a total f'n idiot for being a Muslim, and they're just using you. If after reading all the information in the thread about them, you actually think they are doing good: then you are a total idiot.
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You seem to have a lot of good information on this site and some interesting posts. Please do not undermine it by showing you own intolerance and bigotry against people of faith.
The same could be said of your religion. There's some good information, but it's bigoted and intolerant of other faiths. Now quit pointing the finger and figure out that you're the one with your head up your ass.
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You should also all be aware that Daryl and Eric are absolutely not Christians
So you're responding to something that you obviously didn't read. After all that trashing, you'd think you could make a point by now.
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I believe in God, glory and praise be to Him
Why praise him? For slavery, torture, genital mutilation, rape, disease? Being respectful would be keeping your stupid praise to yourself and off other people's site's where it's obviously unwelcome.
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since they themselves do not subscribe to such beliefs. They are not bigoted against my beliefs and they are happy for me to have them
You obviously don't realize they're liars just like your spiritual leaders and yourself. You're gullible and a dangerous tool in their hands.
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I am very happy for them to believe whatever they wish, as long as their beliefs do not result in the harm of other people.
They're stirring up dangerous racism towards Khazars when it's religion, and false history that's influencing them and us. They are doing harm. When Daryl called for carpet bombing Israel, that included the Palestinians and Muslims too, you know.
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When we examine these two persons, we see whatever their beliefs they are motivated against injustice, tyranny and oppression, wherever they find it and in whatever group.
Hogwash. They're fixated on Khazarian Jews and anything that makes them look bad. What a lame dishonest argument.
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Not only do their personal beliefs not result in the harm of other people, but they believe that the groups harming other people should be stopped.
Daryl called for carpet bombing Israel (regardless of innocents). He'd also like all the people who EVER donated to or supported Israel to be arrested. They don't inform you of or consider how ~1/3 of them dodge the draft (while American's volunteer to kill for Israel), they don't consider how many are there due to circumstances (they're ancestors being taken at gun point and routed there).
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And the sad fact is however, we have to accept and acknowledge that zionists have been major instigators behind many of the worlds wars and genocides over the last 200+ years.
Most Zionists are Christians and are Zionist as a product of their religion, but you won't hear something like that from them.
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They subscribe to zionism and have supported the view that non-zionists, if in their way, are legitimate targets. Period. Making this statement is not racism, it is also not bigotry, this is just plain, objective fact. Daryl and Eric have always been clear about the fact that they oppose zionism and zionists, whatever their persuasion.
Do you actually believe the nonsense about it being a political movement? Do you think Israel gets it's support from people who just freely chose to be Zionist? How absurd. Learn where Zionism comes from: http://www.opposingdigits.com/zionism/ - an everlasting covenant made with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob (Israel).
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I believe that Daryl and Eric have worked hard and sincerely to get at these facts and truths behind the various faith-based meanings, and they have spent considerable amount of their personal time and effort trying to do this.
It seems like nearly 1/3 of the show (and I mean show) is begging for donations, and you think that it's personal time? When they called us "Satanic", was it a fact? Were they not playing off of their general following's faith including your own?
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I would also state that Daryl and Eric have always taken great pains to explain that they are not anti-Jewish or anti-Sephardi or anti-Ashkenazi or anti- anyone on the grounds of belief.
They are obviously anti-Khazar in their "message" and have even played off of some Christian's racist beliefs that they killed Jesus. There's absolutely NOTHING wrong with being anti-Jewish. Judaism is racist, human oppressive, slave mongering, infant genital mutilating, rape endorsing, etc just like Christianity. There is no Jewish race, but there is a racist sick religion. If I were Christian like Ted Pike, and making those accusations, then I would be bigoted.
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Respectfully,
No, you weren't respectful. Your post was a waste of time, dishonest, and you chose to be ignorant on the topic.
