For those of you who do not know what Solipsism means, it basically pertains to the notion that only the Self is real and that other minds don't actually independently exist; for those other minds are merely projections of the Self's mind. The thing is, this concept has never been disproved, ever. Countless philosophers, scientists, religious followers, etc. have tried to challenge it throughout the ages but to no avail.
Try asking yourself: How does one's self know reality without having a mind to experience it? For example, could you have known about this post without having a consciousness to experience it? What if someone told you about it? How could you prove that that person is independent of your consciousness when the only way you can every experience an interaction with that person is by having a mind (consciousness) to experience?
Many fear this concept because of its deepest implications on Self. You see the Self is afraid to realize that being alone in all of reality is infinitely inescapable. That is why, even as a logical fact which undoubtedly cannot be refuted, people insist to this very day that it cannot be true. Denial is their only defense against such an inescapable truth. But the truth isn't meant to offer comfort to those who do not welcome it. It is what it is.
Which is why I must start this thread, as an open challenge to anyone who is willing to try to prove that he or she can experience reality independent of his or her own mind. Mind you, the very act of responding to this post, or even just reading it already disproves whatever your "objective" response might be. Just like you cannot experience your post independent from yourself experiencing it.
What I'm saying is that this the fundamental law of every aspect of reality. It is the most important truth of anything. It is the most important and inescapable subject matter there is and can ever be. All other concepts are wholly dependent on it. All of reality is totally dependent on this one truth. I say this with 100% certainty; I'm absolutely convinced of it. If you disagree with me and think you can logically refute my position on this, please feel free to try. Thank you, and good luck.
so basically we are just one mind with a bad case of schizophrenia ?
Yep.
But seriously, every study of Quantum physics points to solipsism. I know such a concept is hard to accept, even laughable at first (I went through these phases at the beginning then submitted to the idea eventually). And I say "idea", because that's exactly what reality is. Reality is nothing more than an idea or set of ideas / concepts. As Bohr -- one of the great Quantum Physicists in the modern era -- would say: "There is no quantum world. There is only an abstract quantum description".
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as long as there are no dumb asses with goofy hats in lame buildings with smelly people eating stale crackers it works for me.
I tryed explaining this to someone about 2 years ago and they think I'm crazy lol.
if everything is in our heads and all other people don't exist then is it not possible to control the actions of others since they are simply manifestations of our imagination?
or is it more of a we are different perspectives of a higher mind / collective consciousness? ie one mind is seeing/creating what we perceive as reality through the eyes of every individual?
I tryed explaining this to someone about 2 years ago and they think I'm crazy lol.
Lol.
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if everything is in our heads and all other people don't exist then is it not possible to control the actions of others since they are simply manifestations of our imagination?
Since everything and everyone is an experience of your mind, you are therefore, the only action there is. The actions of others is an experience of your mind. Therefore it is the mind experiencing these projections that is the only real action. This ultimately means that you are omnipotent. You prove this all the time in fact, as you are projecting this post, this forum, your computer, the people you interact with, and all the other subconscious expectations you may have, etc.
If you want to consciously manipulate reality, you will have to train your mind persistently to become more efficient with the thought process you choose. So if you want for example, food to eat, you actually don't need to get groceries or go to a restaurant, or to be a slave to this system by getting a job in order to "support" yourself. You can literally think the food into existence. However, there is a catch. You must persistently attend to that idea until it becomes a standing wave; as persistence is the fundamental law of the quantum phi-cycle (physical) nature of reality.
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or is it more of a we are different perspectives of a higher mind / collective consciousness? ie one mind is seeing/creating what we perceive as reality through the eyes of every individual?
Nope. There's no "higher mind", or "higher collective consciousness", or "higher self". The sentience that you are now is all there is. From the footnotes of the Observer Effect which sums up the Copenhagen Interpretation, it reads the following:
1. Reality is identical with the totality of observed phenomena (which means reality does not exist in the absence of observation)
2. Quantum mechanics is a complete description of reality; no deeper understanding is possible.
External reality can only be an internal experience. If you were to see things through the eyes of someone "out there", your sentience would still remain unchanged. Names can change, bodies can change, identities can change. But it is through sentience, that these "differences" can only be experienced. If you were to forget who you are for example, and identified yourself as someone else, one thing that will still remain is being Self-Aware (sentient). That sentience does not adhere to any identity, nor ego. Your sentience is your real Self.
The thing is, the belief in a "collective" consciousness is more widely popular and more appealing to the masses. This is because on the surface, it seems to offer more "hope" and "comfort" and "unity". However, solipsism is the only true concept that has these values; for it implicates a singular non-local sentience that is infinitely unbroken / holographic (whole) by its very nature.
Organized religion tries to avoid this truth by mystifying consciousness into "higher selves". By doing so, it has effectively conditioned society into believing that there needs to be a "salvation" process for which an external messianic figure is the only means of ascension. This in turn, prevents the self from realizing his or her true omnipotent nature while keeping him or her dependent on a system of enslavement.
Sat Apr 25, 2009 7:12 pm
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two questions. what is the difference between this and subjectivism?
and although unrelated, what do you think about terence mckennas advocacy of mushrooms, dmt, lsd and such to bring about a more peaceful, sane, and all-inclusive (in terms of importance of normal people) world?
Sun Apr 26, 2009 10:28 am
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so basically I'm all there is so I should only rely on myself, works for me, I hate the idea of higher beings and all that bullshit and prefer to help myself anyways.
two questions. what is the difference between this and subjectivism?
Solipsism is complete Subjectivism.
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and although unrelated, what do you think about terence mckennas advocacy of mushrooms, dmt, lsd and such to bring about a more peaceful, sane, and all-inclusive (in terms of importance of normal people) world?
Those things, including Terence McKenna himself, are merely projections of your sentient mind. They hold no power nor have any effect whatsoever. The only actual effect that occurs is your sentience experiencing any knowledge about them.
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so basically I'm all there is so I should only rely on myself, works for me, I hate the idea of higher beings and all that bullshit and prefer to help myself anyways.
although im not a philosophy expert, i know that this school of thought is nothing new. ancient philosophers were constantly questioning the nature of reality.
funny that somebody should bring up mckenna though because this is exactly the kind of stuff tim leary talked about
Nobody is. That's the beauty about this whole sentient nature of reality. The Self is always in a process of learning and can never be an expert. See even though the Self is omnipotent, it can never arrive at a conclusion (a final point of all-knowing). Its omniscience in other words, is an endless experience of self-discovery (self-reference or self-difference -- alluding to its dynamic nature of constant change).
This is because according to Quantum Mechanics, reality is an action (a persistence), not an outcome. Since the mind is infinite by its very nature, it doesn't end up in a destination (location). It is non-local and is always active (processing) for which facilitates momentum in wholes (holographically).
To sum up, there is only one thing that is occurring in all of reality. Its other names are "Time", "Present", "Persistence", "Action", "Energy", "Self", "Sentience", "God", "Mind", "Life", and "Purpose". This thing is a concept and is also called Existence. By its very definition, it is true of itself. Because it is true of itself, it is whole. Because it is whole, it is circular. Because it is circular, it is self-referential. Because it can refer to itself, it is self-aware. This self-awareness (consciousness) projects all of reality through its endless process of self-referencing. Even if the opposite of Existence -- Non-Existence -- exists, Existence itself is still being referred to.
What is consciousness? Consciousness is another name for existence. Existence is an abstract concept that is true of itself. This condition is necessary and sufficient for a concept to be a conscious being, a thought thinking itself. The only such concepts are existence and our selves, which are existence observing itself in time. Our selves are formed in our brains when we become conscious. They result from brain function, but unlike other concepts that our brains can form, these concepts are themselves conscious. This is why we feel that there is more to consciousness than just brain function.
