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postcardsfrompalestine
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Post Does it really matter? Reply with quote
911 happened and is .000001% of the agenda, so why waste time on it any longer.
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Post Re: Does it really matter? Reply with quote
postcardsfrompalestine wrote:
911 happened and is .000001% of the agenda, so why waste time on it any longer.


agreed
Tue Jan 29, 2008 4:03 am
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On leading the herd:

http://brainstuff.howstuffworks.com/2008/01/31/todays-conspiracy-theory/
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Post Re: Does it really matter? Reply with quote
postcardsfrompalestine wrote:
911 happened and is .000001% of the agenda, so why waste time on it any longer.


Referring to the government stock footage posted earlier,
check the YouTube videos titled:

11 WTC Mass Media knew everything in 1hr...

911 Brainwashing - TV Fakery

We tend to believe the official stories about the production-line "suicide" bombings, wherever they occur. Years ago, the totally marginalized Nico Haupt dissected and explained the terror drill ploy, a time-honored method for recruiting bit players for videos and attacks that go live, but who's getting it? People see footage of patsies and believe "suicide bombers"! Unless we're told it's a Magic Show, we swallow it. And most people are begging for more security.

Carol Valentine is worth reading for her insights.
Sun Feb 03, 2008 6:45 pm
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Post Gary's Razor Skeptic Blog 5 - 9/11 Conspiracy Theories Reply with quote


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The nature of the 9/11 Truth Movement, and a skeptical tactic to counter bad science and reasoning.

Wed Jun 18, 2008 8:26 pm
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Post Talking About 911 A Must Reply with quote
There seems to be a pattern here. A lot of people who believe this tripe also believe in imaginary deities and other loony beliefs that can't be proven. How is anyone going to take their skepticism seriously. Lets not mention the fact that much of what they say has been debunked numerous times.


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We all know the official story of September 11th: four jetliners were hijacked by groups of four and five Arabic men armed with box cutters, who proceeded to fly three of the four jets into the Twin Towers and the Pentagon. Subsequently the World Trade Center Towers, weakened by the impacts and fires, collapsed into piles of rubble. The FBI had compiled a list of hijackers within three days, and it was so obvious that Osama bin Laden had masterminded the operation from caves in Afghanistan, that there was no need to seriously investigate the crime or produce evidence. The "retaliatory" attack on the Taliban would soon commence.

Is this story true? Its central assumptions have never been tested by an official government body whose members lack obvious conflicts of interest. There are numerous red flags in the official story, which requires a long series of highly improbable coincidences. Questioning that story is an act of responsible citizenship.

Leaps of Faith Required to Accept the Official Story

There are many red flags in the official story of September 11th that passed right by the vast majority of people. Not the least is that the official story was so quick to emerge. Within hours of the attack Osama bin Laden was presented as the prime suspect. His picture was repeatedly shown on TV alongside images of the devastation in Lower Manhattan, a technique known as Pavlovian conditioning. A list of most of the hijackers was presented within a day of the attack. Mohammed Atta was presented as the ringleader within hours. The curious building "collapses" in Manhattan were immediately claimed to be inevitable. The "case closed" technical paper about the building collapses was published on September 13th, two days after the attack.

Some of the other red flags include:

The hijacked flights all flew long routes taking them far from their targets exposing them to certain interception given standard operating procedures.
The towering infernos were said to burn with the heat of nuclear power plants, despite sooty black smoke and few visible flames.
The building collapses were presented as inevitable, even though such behavior was unheard of in steel structures.
Flight 93 was confidently portrayed as a crash due to a struggle, despite strong evidence it was shot down.
An extensive paper trail of the hijackers was found within hours of the attack, even though the same people had supposedly eluded authorities for years.
The same hijackers who pulled off aerobatic maneuvers with large jets were flight school flunkies who had never flown jets.
The FBI claimed that the passport from one of Flight 11's hijackers was found blocks from the towers (when the only other parts of the jetliner that penetrated the tower were a few pieces of landing gear).
Several hijackers turned up alive after the attack.
1000 bodies vanished at Ground Zero, despite DNA identification procedures that could identify individuals from small fragments of bodies.
Flight 77 crashed into Wedge 1 of the Pentagon -- the one portion of the building that was sparsely occupied due to undergoing renovations, which included blast-hardening of the exterior walls.
The supposedly fanatically devout Muslim hijackers were fond of strip bars.
The video of Osama bin Laden that has him taking credit for the attack doesn't even look like him.


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Support the Penis Theory.

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Penn discusses some doubts concerning the events of September 11th.



WTF?
Fri Sep 05, 2008 9:13 am
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http://representativepress.blogspot.com/2008/08/representative-presss-mission-as.html

The mission remains the same, we can't let Bush trick us into another war

About former Pakistani prime minister Benazir Bhutto's comment about Omar Sheikh. Omar Sheikh murdered Daniel Pearl. PLEASE apply some internal logic to the comment and realize that in all rationality Bhutto misspoke and had actually intended to say "Daniel Pearl."

Fireman explains why WTC7 was going to collapse: "See where the white smoke is? You see this thing leaning like this? It's definitely coming down. There's no way to stop it. 'Cause you have to go up in there to put it out and it's already, the structural integrity is not there in the building."

See Facts "9/11 Skeptics" don't want you to see: REAL 911 Truth

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Other firemen could see the damage to WTC7:
"A number of fire officers and companies assessed the damage to the building. The appraisals indicated that the building's integrity was in serious doubt."
http://representativepress.blogspot.com/2006/09/wtc-7-was-severely-damaged-on-south.html

BIN LADIN: We declared jihad against the US government, because the US government is unjust, criminal and tyrannical. It has committed acts that are extremely unjust, hideous and criminal whether directly or through its support of the Israeli occupation of the Prophet's Night Travel Land (Palestine). And we believe the US is directly responsible for those who were killed in Palestine, Lebanon and Iraq.

http://representativepress.blogspot.com/2006/08/cnn-continues-to-downplay-and-omit.html

Was 30 West Broadway INSIDE the footprint of WTC7?
http://representativepress.blogspot.com/2008/08/was-30-west-broadway-inside-footprint.html

SCANDAL: 9/11 Commissioners Bowed to Pressure to Suppress Main Motive for the 9/11 Attacks.
http://representativepress.blogspot.com/2006/09/reviews-of-without-precedent-inside.html



On 9/11, WTC1 Hit WTC7, Seriously Damaging the South Side


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"The biggest decision we had to make on the first day was to clear the area and create a collapse zone around the severely damaged 7 World Trade Center, a 47-story building heavily involved in fire. A number of fire officers and companies assessed the damage to the building. The appraisals indicated that the building's integrity was in serious doubt.

I issued the orders to pull back the firefighters and define the collapse zone. It was a critical decision; we could not lose any more firefighters. It took a lot of time to pull everyone out, given the emotionalism of the day, communications difficulties, and the collapse terrain. - FDNY Chief of Department Daniel Nigro

http://representativepress.blogspot.com/2008/08/on-911-wtc2-hit-wtc7-seriously-damaging.html

I hope we can all concentrate on ending the unjust policies like supporting Israel and put this distraction behind us, because it hinders efforts to expose Zionism.


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SCANDAL: 9/11 Commissioners Bowed to Pressure to Suppress Main Motive for the 9/11 Attacks.

http://representativepress.blogspot.com/2006/09/reviews-of-without-precedent-inside.html

"Sit Down!" The Power to Silence

Damage to South Side of WTC7 See:

http://tinyurl.com/WTC7South

And it did NOT fall "into its footprint," it damaged surrounding buildings

http://www.tinyurl.com/20WBway

Facts the "9/11 Skeptics" don't want you to see: REAL 911 Truth


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Eyewitness accounts from firemen such as Captain Chris Boyle and Deputy Chief Peter Hayden

http://tinyurl.com/2sbf2c

The Archives: September 1998 Fireground Tactics
Evacuation Decision Making By JOHN NORMAN

"One of the most common structures today is the strip mall built with steel bar joists and metal deck roofs. A serious fire in one of these structures should be expected to produce roof collapse in as little as five to 10 minutes. As such, they too should be attacked from defensive positions. Steel does have one advantage over wood trusses, in that if the steel can be cooled with hose streams, it will retain and even regain its strength."

"Class 1 (fire-resistive) buildings typical of high-rise construction usually are designated as having three- or four-hour fire resistance ratings. In the past, that was taken to mean that they would never be a serious collapse threat. While this is usually the case in the completed structures, it is not a guarantee, particularly in the steel-framed high-rise that relies on some type of spray-on or membrane fireproofing to protect the steel. The 1 Meridian Plaza fire in Philadelphia proved that these can be severe dangers under the wrong set of circumstances."

NIST FAQ

http://tinyurl.com/NISTFAQ



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"9/11 Truth Movement" Suppresses Bush Contradiction with Intelligence Agencies: Bush Lies

What motivated the 9/11 hijackers? See testimony most didn't

A former member of an extremist Islamic organization which is part of al-Qaeda explained how the organization's recruiters operate on susceptible young men. "Someone approached me in the mosque as I was praying, and started to talk to me about injustice in the Middle East, the poverty, our impotence in the face of Israel. He made me want to listen to him - to find a solution. At first these people don't talk about violence. They concentrate on how much injustice America has caused in the world and how to get rid of this unfairness. They mention Palestine, they call on you to uphold your national dignity, to defend people, and suggest for that you must sacrifice yourself. Then your people will live after you and will always remember you." The young man, himself an Egyptian, speaking in the privacy of a quite courtyard in Cairo, believed this was the way Mohamed Atta was approached. "Al-Qaeda" by Jane Corbin p125


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9/11 and Wrong Policy, what the 9/11 Commission Report did to us

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The misleading story often told is that "Jews declared Israel and then they were attacked." The fact is from November 1947 to May 1948 the Zionists were already on the offensive and had already attacked Arabs. In the months before Israel was declared, the Zionists had driven 300,000 non-Jews off their land. In the months before Israel was declared, the Zionists had seized land beyond the proposed Jewish State."

Wed Sep 10, 2008 6:35 pm
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Just for the record, I checked this morning and Bin Laden is indeed on the FBI most wanted list. Who started the rumor that he's not?
Thu Oct 02, 2008 5:09 am
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peter griffin wrote:
Just for the record, I checked this morning and Bin Laden is indeed on the FBI most wanted list. Who started the rumor that he's not?


The rumor as I understood it is that he wasn't wanted for orchestrating the attacks of 9/11.
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last time i check the fbi file it said nothing bout 911
Tue Oct 07, 2008 12:44 am
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madthumbs wrote:
peter griffin wrote:
Just for the record, I checked this morning and Bin Laden is indeed on the FBI most wanted list. Who started the rumor that he's not?


The rumor as I understood it is that he wasn't wanted for orchestrating the attacks of 9/11.


It's a "rumor" non-911 truthers breeze over as if it has no importance. The FBI doesn't have the evidence to prosecute, so they hold by the first rule of disinfo- hear no evil, speak no evil, see no evil...Who cares if bin laden isn't wanted for 911? That doesn't matter, right?

(sarcasm warning)

From the website...

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MURDER OF U.S. NATIONALS OUTSIDE THE UNITED STATES; CONSPIRACY TO MURDER U.S. NATIONALS OUTSIDE THE UNITED STATES; ATTACK ON A FEDERAL FACILITY RESULTING IN DEATH


http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/fugitives/laden.htm
Sat Mar 14, 2009 12:08 pm
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USAMA BIN LADEN IS WANTED IN CONNECTION WITH THE AUGUST 7, 1998, BOMBINGS OF THE UNITED STATES EMBASSIES IN DAR ES SALAAM, TANZANIA, AND NAIROBI, KENYA. THESE ATTACKS KILLED OVER 200 PEOPLE. IN ADDITION, BIN LADEN IS A SUSPECT IN OTHER TERRORIST ATTACKS THROUGHOUT THE WORLD.

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