This is War in the USA!

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Where is organizing and picketing getting us? How many whitewashing speeches will we listen to while assembled together to protest? How long will we remain ineffective and dormant while our children are murdered by our own corrupt government?

So they chose to go to war; why not call that murder? Let's consider areas like Flint Michigan where people have been forced into severe poverty by the pulling out of large corporations. Joining the military offers a hope to regain the life they had for some, like the lottery. What about the lies concerning WMD's? Lying us into fighting isn't murder? What of the false flag mass murder operation carried out on 9/11 or the subsequent anthrax scare mongering? How much blatant murder are we going to take before we fight back instead of fight for? Is it ok to kill as long as it isn't on our home turf? Are we going to continue to sit back and watch as our government makes a stink of us to the rest of the world?

What happened to our government which is supposed to serve and protect? Why is there toxins like lead, arsenic, and chlorinated disaccharides in sucralose (splenda)? Why are we lied to about Aspartame when it's obviously lethal and being added to our food supply silently? One could argue for these toxic chemicals on the basis that they're not as lethal as sugar to a diabetic IF Stevia and Xylitol did not exist and weren't suppressed.

Why are we lied to about fluoride which we know was used to induce apathy in Nazi Germany? Why do they chlorinate our water, knowing it's the cause of ~10% of cancers? 3 basin sinks, and anti-microbial detergents aren't preventing diseases, but are causing them.

Why is it ok to teach Hinduism, Buddhism and other religions in public schools in the USA, but Christianity and Judaism are taboo subjects? Isn't it because they support war, racial genocide, unnecessary uninformed surgery on infants, female oppression, loving your enemy, forgiveness, etc? Isn't this everything they want from us? Why is it wrong for a teacher to simply state facts about the religion, or quote directly from their books? Are they afraid that teachers could enlighten children to the sickness of these religions before they're indoctrinated? Is brainwashing our children into supporting illegal war not murder?

Arrest the criminals? When someone is firing bullets at you, and you have a gun; do you try to arrest them? What is our right to bear arms for? Do people realize that our right to bear arms is so we can defend ourselves against tyranny? Do we not have the right and the obligation to overthrow such a bloodthirsty government that allows productive citizens of it's own country to become impoverished while they send billions of dollars a year to Israel where if the money were divided equally each citizen could live very well on it alone? Why are we over there fighting Israel's neighbors over outright lies told to us? Why are we fighting and killing our allies while those in power sleep safely?

If speakers at peace rallies and protests are ineffective: Shut them down! They're probably there to whitewash the situation and control the masses. Look at your numbers and think what can be accomplished with them! Think about the people dying on foreign soil, while all you're doing is gathering. How long before we take our Country back? How long before we realize that THIS IS WAR and it's our government, religious leaders, bankers, etc against us all. This isn't just W, it isn't just Cheney. It isn't just a handful. This is like the walls of the World Trade Center buildings which were designed to take multiple hits. Arresting the criminals just places them in their own justice system designed for them and by them.

This isn't about Jews vs. Goyim (though the sick religion has got to go). This is about people in power using the religion to control the masses, and have us fight amongst ourselves instead of against them. As with any war you're unwillingly placed in, your livelihoods are on the line. Are you going to start acting like this is war, or not? Are you going to fight for your side, or support theirs?

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madthumbs have I ever told you how much I love you man? Applause

You're absolutely right. (Like usual)

I was discussing the right to bear arms with someone a few weeks ago and I realized not many people realize that the second amendment was designed so the people could defend themselves against thier government because the government was/is maintaining a large military force. I find it rather disturbing that so many people are willing to let thier government twist around thier basic rights. I can't tell what's more discerning, the ones who don't realize these kinds of actions are happening at all, or the ones who do but do nothing to stop it...

Then again what do I know? Rolling Eyes

I'm just some delinquent kid. Rolling Eyes

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	because the government was/is maintaining a large military force

I agree with everything up there except that quote. We initially began with militia when the nation first began. The military was sneaked upon us through the use of pirates which is how the navy and marines were born. Of course once we were coerced into another war with England due to this tactic we ended up with an army.

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I also think Ed Brown is an excellent example and if the rest of America did what he did we would truly turn this land around.

I believe we were never truly free. The difference today is the amount of people who seem to be in tune to the elites who control us has grown. Perhaps armed with the knowledge that is starting to spread amongst us we can take some land if only a piece of the planet for those that wish to be truly free. Idea

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Well, According to the informer - we have been mislead

http://vyzygoth.com/audio/informer1.mp3

there are 8 audio files there

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Excellent stuff by the informer... I went through the 1st 3, and it is becoming more clear that the constitutions of any country is a myth given to the people to create the illusion of ever being free...

This makes it very easy to draw the line between all these "Patriot" movements... but on the other hand it becomes more difficult to make sense to other people, many have told me they would rather stay in ignorance because they simply don't want to deal with all this information about the Corp, and how we all are products of the machine.

Vyz is pro christian I know, but he is more open and goes through alot of good information... and he seems to be having a difficult time really looking into the religious mind control, but then again... there are very few good shows out there.

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madthumbs wrote:

When someone is firing bullets at you, and you have a gun; do you try to arrest them? What is our right to bear arms for? Do people realize that our right to bear arms is so we can defend ourselves against tyranny? Do we not have the right and the obligation to overthrow such a bloodthirsty government that allows productive citizens of it's own country to become impoverished while they send billions of dollars a year to Israel where if the money were divided equally each citizen could live very well on it alone? Why are we over there fighting Israel's neighbors over outright lies told to us? Why are we fighting and killing our allies while those in power sleep safely?

If speakers at peace rallies and protests are ineffective: Shut them down! They're probably there to whitewash the situation and control the masses. Look at your numbers and think what can be accomplished with them! Think about the people dying on foreign soil, while all you're doing is gathering. How long before we take our Country back? How long before we realize that THIS IS WAR and it's our government against us all. This isn't just W, it isn't just Cheney. It isn't just a handful. This is like the walls of the World Trade Center buildings which were designed to take multiple hits. Arresting the criminals just places them in their own justice system designed for them and by them.

This isn't about Jews vs. Goyim (though the sick religion has got to go). This is about people in power using the religion to control the masses, and have us fight amongst ourselves instead of against them. As with any war you're unwillingly placed in, your livelihoods are on the line. Are you going to start acting like this is war, or not?

You were given the right to bear arms BY the people who set out to control your minds, it's the right to bear arms that makes you think it's ok to use them on your own people who have a different idea of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness ... everything since the printing of the bibles, holy books, has been designed to keep you in a 'specific' FRAME OF MIND ... HATE & WAR!!!

forensicgeek wrote:

I was discussing the right to bear arms with someone a few weeks ago and I realized not many people realize that the second amendment was designed so the people could defend themselves against thier government because the government was/is maintaining a large military force. I find it rather disturbing that so many people are willing to let thier government twist around thier basic rights. I can't tell what's more discerning, the ones who don't realize these kinds of actions are happening at all, or the ones who do but do nothing to stop it...

The right to bear arms is what makes it hard for people to discern truth, on one hand it tells you, you have the right to bear arms against your government if you disagree with their decisions, the other tells you the government would not give you the right to bear arms if they intended to betray you. DOUBT everything, confusion rules!!

The truth is that to give the right to bear arms is a part of the brainwashing, "It's ok to kill", War is OK, kill those who disagree with you .... But whatever you do DON'T love your fellow man, he can't be trusted. It's all about mind games, don't trust ANYONE, and above all NEVER "think for yourself".

	edisme wrote:
	I believe we were never truly free. The difference today is the amount of people who seem to be in tune to the elites who control us has grown. Perhaps armed with the knowledge that is starting to spread amongst us we can take some land if only a piece of the planet for those that wish to be truly free.

Your right! We never have been free. Not since 'they' invented religion ... Re's Legion http://socsci.colorado.edu/LAB/GODS/re.html ... http://www.answers.com/topic/legion .... http://www.elook.org/dictionary/legion.html

Our take-over was via SYMBOLISM, language manipulation, coded messages (as in the bible), Myth, and in making us ALL believe we are born sinners, that we are inferior to 'them' ... We are NOT!! and that scares the hell outta them

The proof is in the pudding. How can we be born of original sin? The sin of indulging in sexual activities?? They want you to believe god 'made you in the image of himself', when the real creator has no image, that the creator 'made an imperfect man by providing him with all the desire to PROCREATE (sexuality), That sex other than for procreation was sinful ... why then make sex so 'pleasureable' ... after all animals only have the desire to procreate, without the pleasure attached, why not humans?? How about considering LOVE, commitment, companionship, the desire to make another person happy?

Think deeply about this 'question' because there is a lot more to it than what I have said here. It's the very basis of WHY we can't think for ourselves, and WHY they can't afford for us to learn the truth about our 'being'.

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That's the perfect picture M*T, it depicts exactly the circumstances I write about, and it also depicts awareness of the things we are up against.

Rise up against the enemy in love and friendship ... man and woman together ... culture 'with' culture ... Black 'with' White. All of mankind united for peace and harmony, but also as individuals 'in co-operation', not divided by hate, envy, or properganda but united in a common cause "peace, health and happiness" for 'ALL of mankind.

Discard the unnatural and embrace the natural world, state openly and defiantly you want FREE alternate energy, Solar, Hydrogen, wind, waves etc, you want to save the flora and fauna that was provided for the health and welfare of all living things.

Demand the dissemination of truth and fairness in the media, for the dismantling of media monopolies into more 'diverse' and genuine publications with freedom of speech ... demand fredom of speech AND THOUGHTS in any form, spoken, read, or written.

Demand the removal of overt advertising that turns our young and innocent into addicts ... ie sex, drugs and unsuitable activities and behaviour.

Demand the legalisation of NATURAL, unadulterated and unmixed marijuana, for the right to grow your own, and end the poliferation of man-made, and deadly substances that increases addictions, increases crime and destroys families.

Demand that drug addicts be able to safely and legally register with a qualified medical pracitioner and obtain the CORRECT quality and quantity of heroin and other subatances in order "To maintain a NORMAL lifestyle". DEMAND that suppliers and pushers of drugs are no longer able to make unimaginable profits, by providing the legal means for addicts AND recreational users to SAFE access to safe substances.

Demand ENORMOUS fines for Suppliers and pushers (including those from the legal and political systems) and end the prosecution of users.

Stop patronising SUPERmarkets, or buying adulterated foods and unnecessarily packaged food, demand loose products instead. Practice NATURAL medicine and demand the supply of the natural herbs restricted by the FDA and TGA (Australia).

And above all demand the proper education for our children in spirituality and ethical behaviour and NOT religion, make religion open to 'ADULTS ONLY', demand schools teach reading writing and Arithmetic ONLY, for primary school students, and expand on those subjects as required on an individual basis. Encourage students to follow their interests through these tools, to learn at their own pace, but still encouraging and stimulating their interests with interesting and FUN facts. Turn learning into fun and children will embrace education and thrive, remove the grind and turn learning into play and see the transformation in slow learners. Dispense with EXAMINATIONS and have regular 'competitions' instead and graded to a childs needs.

Too Hard? Then home school as an alternative.

There are so many things where we can make a difference, if only we became united in a cause, picking off one by one the evils that permeate our lives.

I'm sure there are many things that can be added here, this is just a start ...

Perhaps we should start a 'non violent' activist list. And list all the things we can do NOW to start a wave of 'friendly fire' directed at government, and create a growing participation of activists wanting better ways to change this planet in all aspects, physical, mental, and spiritual.

Start with yourselves, learn to like yourself, have respect for your being, if you don't like yourself you can't expect others to like you, make your life a happy one by loving others. What goes around comes around. Life is a circle.

One 'alone' can achieve little, but he can achieve everything by becoming one of a crowd.

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That is a definite case of " a picture saying a thousand words"

Sad thing is those cops have been brainwashed into using force against their fellow man, because they have been programmed to beleive that what they are doing is the right thinbg to do.

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There's a couple reasons the cops are this way. Partly because they're often chosen for being bullies, and partly because people will go to extremes to keep their jobs.

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madthumbs wrote:

Where is organizing and picketing getting us? How many whitewashing speeches will we listen to while assembled together to protest? How long will we remain ineffective and dormant while our children are murdered by our own corrupt government?

So they chose to go to war; why call that murder? Lets consider areas like Flint Michigan where people have been forced into severe poverty by the pulling out of large corporations. Joining the military offers a hope for some like the lottery. What about the lies concerning WMD's? Lying us into fighting isn't murder? What of the false flag mass murder operation carried out on 911 or the subsequent anthrax scare mongering? How much blatant murder are we going to take before we fight back instead of fight for? Is it ok to kill as long as it isn't on our home turf? Are we going to continue to sit back and watch as our government makes a stink of us to the rest of the world?

What happened to our government which is supposed to serve and protect? Why is there toxins like lead, arsenic, and chlorinated disaccharides in sucralose (splenda)? Why are we lied to about Aspartame when it's obviously lethal and being added to our food supply silently? One could argue for these toxic chemicals on the basis that they're not as lethal as sugar to a diabetic IF Stevia and Xylitol did not exist and weren't suppressed.

Why are we lied to about fluoride which we know was used to induce apathy in Nazi Germany?

Why is it ok to teach Hinduism, Buddhism and other religions in public school in the USA, but Christianity and Judaism are taboo subjects? Isn't it because they support war, racial genocide, unnecessary uninformed surgery, female oppression, loving your enemy, forgiveness, etc? Isn't this everything they want from us? Why is it wrong for a teacher to simply state facts about the religion, or quote directly from their books? Are they afraid that teachers could enlighten children to the sickness of these religions before they're indoctrinated? Is brainwashing our children into supporting illegal war not murder?

The separation of Church and state is there to protect the state from the Church and the Church from the state. This has been circumvented by the Republicans, with the use of third party groups. So yes the Republicans do have control of a large number of Churches. Why exclude Hinduism from the law? I don't realy see Buddhism as a religon, but why would it be in schools?

Arrest the criminals? When someone is firing bullets at you, and you have a gun; do you try to arrest them? What is our right to bear arms for? Do people realize that our right to bear arms is so we can defend ourselves against tyranny? Do we not have the right and the obligation to overthrow such a bloodthirsty government that allows productive citizens of it's own country to become impoverished while they send billions of dollars a year to Israel where if the money were divided equally each citizen could live very well on it alone? Why are we over there fighting Israel's neighbors over outright lies told to us? Why are we fighting and killing our allies while those in power sleep safely?

I agree that is the spirit of the second amendment and realize that our right to bare arms is so we can defend ourselves against tyranny. Our founding fathers understood that we did not want to trade one tyrant a thousand miles away for a thousand tyrants 1 mile away. That the only way to ensure that America could not be permanently destroyed from within was if we had the right to have weapons. Our basic rights are the foundation of America and make American not just some idea.

If speakers at peace rallies and protests are ineffective: Shut them down! They're probably there to whitewash the situation and control the masses. Look at your numbers and think what can be accomplished with them! Think about the people dying on foreign soil, while all you're doing is gathering. How long before we take our Country back? How long before we realize that THIS IS WAR and it's our government against us all. This isn't just W, it isn't just Cheney. It isn't just a handful. This is like the walls of the World Trade Center buildings which were designed to take multiple hits. Arresting the criminals just places them in their own justice system designed for them and by them.

A peaceful protest mowed down by a government often sparks a revolution. Peaceful protests are often targeted by governments. If the protest is to be a tool, then it is agitated. If the protest is to be weakened then yes it is white washed or set up for ridicule.

This isn't about Jews vs. Goyim (though the sick religion has got to go). This is about people in power using the religion to control the masses, and have us fight amongst ourselves instead of against them. As with any war you're unwillingly placed in, your livelihoods are on the line. Are you going to start acting like this is war, or not?

Do you have a solution for the work around of the separation of Church and state? Would shinning the light of day on it be like turning the light on in an apartment with roaches?

To armed revolt I would say that that would cause martial law and remove the governments problem. Unless there were a 2/3 majority supporting such resistance, then there would be no leg to stand on. In America if you don't have a 2/3 majority then you have no mandate. If 2/3 want a change in government that does not mean that 2/3's wants armed resistance.
I do agree that our right are fundamental and why the supreme court is a separate coequal Branch of government, with the sole job of defending our rights.

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It seems that in order to make change we have to stop using the system they have created. Stop using the Banks, take away their power. Cut your credit cards, get paid in cash or live in an area where barter is common. throw away your tv's. Go back to farming for your families. Home school etc....

My older kids are completely brain washed - they are all into fashion and won't use hand me downs or second hand things. It has to be new and shinny.

It seems too be a difficult way of life although the Amish have been doing it for a long time.

any way just some random thoughts.

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damn straight mt, it is a fvcking war... and we gotta deal with zombies that stand in our fvcking way...

to mystica, ur right about war not being right, but that doesnt mean it cant happen... if ur in a war wether u like it or not its kill or be killed... or be raped/beaten then killed.... and u dont necessarily get a choice...

pacifists get slaughtered all the time.... im not a fvckin hero/savior... if someone want to kill me they better not fvck up cuz if they do theyll be taking my place in oblivion...

rights are imaginary... the only ppl who truely have "rights" are those with the balls to stand up and enforce said rights.... with that being said u cant complain about them taking away something u never took the time to make sure was there in the first place...

whos the enemy? there is no enemy.... theres dumb asses that want to make my life harder,suckier, more miserable , etc etc... those fvckers need to die... im all for live and let live, but i have no problem killing to live... im not buddhist/pacifist , if im threatened the fvcker dies...

ppl hope/aspire to something better.... but when u take the time to think about it either fvcking way the drama of life never ends and doesnt really matter either ways....

u have 2 choices.... pick sides or move on... im tryin to move on... and if i have to pick a fvckin side then i pick my own and will work to anhialate both sides....

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