Yea, I know it works. I didn't say it doesn't work. I said for mass-production purposes, it won't work. For mass usage meaning practical use, it also won't work as I already explained why.
HHO gas doesn't need to be stored. I said hydrogen.
I will assume you have not seen Stephen Meyer's Patent then?
As for those transport problems you talk about, I don't buy into this man-made global warming. It's warming naturally.
Once you use electricity to seperate the Hydrogen and Oxygen, hydrogen is highly flammable.
As is ALL flamable gases and liquids.
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Don't compare to gasoline. I pour gasoline to the ground and it won't immediately turn to flames unless I put a flame on it.
The "liquid" part of gas does not burn at all, it is the "vapour" that come's off the liquid, that does the burning.
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Not true for hydrogen. It goes in flames once oxygen and other burnable material is available (which is how the gas works).
It is "HEAT" that is required to ignite. no other "burnable material" is required.
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So, if you want to store hydrogen so that you don't need to use electricity later for that energy, it won't be safe.
The storage of Hydrogen as a fuel for internal combustion cars is not required to be in a "stored" state, it can be readily produced from water just pryer to combustion. Now if you are going to use hydrogen in combination with a fuel cell, then storage tanks are already in use for such purpose. Think propane....
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HHO gas is basically an electric car with a combustion engine. We have seen that electric cars can't go a long way until the battery runs out of electricity. If you use that electricity for HHO gas, the range of that car will be further reduced. Also, HHO gas might replace cars but it cannot replace farm machinery, trucks and military aircraft and tanks because those require a lot more energy to support their weight and travel long distances.
There is no need to use the electricity from the batteries if an internal combustion engine is present, the number one reason cars with internal combustion engine's have alternators, so the batteries do not run down. This also applies to hybrids with internal combustion engines.
The real question here is, why they have setup those particular hybrids with a need to charge the batteries with an outside plug, instead of using the alternator to charge those batteries?
And yes, hydrogen can be used to power all those vehicles.
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Finally, HHO gas needs fresh water not salt water. 1% of all water is fresh water and sure, you can convert salt water to fresh water but that also requires electrical energy for the heating and freezing. For practical uses, only fossil fuels can provide enough electricity for that. About the only method that does not use electricity is reverse osmosis but that takes an extremely long time. Too long for practical use.
If your referring to producing hydrogen directly on the car, then this statement regarding salt water is false.
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As for creating enough hemp, you need lots of fertilizer and pesticide and we go back to fossil fuels. Irrigation to create enough hemp also requires fresh water and we go back to fossil fuels again.
This is also patently false, see Steiner, true organic farming. As far as i know presently, Hemp has 2 natural pest "enemys" which i believe would be solved if the growing of "THC" Hemp was permitted, afterall, the THC is there as a defence for the plant, not as a party favour for human's.
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And anything else that needs to replace the combustion engine to replace oil cannot be practical because you need at least an century to replace all the billions of vehicles that has the combustion engine.
There is no present need to replace the Internal Combustion Engine. There is no present need to be using oil derivitive's as our fuel source for said engines.
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There is no need to use the electricity from the batteries if an internal combustion engine is present, the number one reason cars with internal combustion engine's have alternators, so the batteries do not run down. This also applies to hybrids with internal combustion engines.
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If your refering to producing hydrogen with that statement, you do not require an electrolyte to do so.
Then if you put water in the engine, where else do you get the electricity from if the car doesn't have a battery? I also don't know how you can get hydrogen from water without an electrolyte.
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This is also patently false, see Steiner, true organic farming. As far as i know presently, Hemp has 2 natural pest "enemys" which i believe would be solved if the growing of "THC" Hemp was permitted, afterall, the THC is there as a defence for the plant, not as a party favour for human's.
Still doesn't solve the fertilizer and irrigation problem.
ahh, here we go, quoting the context out of the reply, but anyways. you will all have to go back to my original post to find the context to these quotes.
funzone36 wrote:
Tripled wrote:
There is no need to use the electricity from the batteries if an internal combustion engine is present, the number one reason cars with internal combustion engine's have alternators, so the batteries do not run down. This also applies to hybrids with internal combustion engines.
Tripled wrote:
If your refering to producing hydrogen with that statement, you do not require an electrolyte to do so.
Then if you put water in the engine
you do not put water into an internal combustion engine, water is non-combustible, simple concept really...
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where else do you get the electricity from if the car doesn't have a battery?
This thread does not refer to cars without batteries.
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I also don't know how you can get hydrogen from water without an electrolyte.
This is already quite aparent from your inability to read what some of these people posting on this board have said regarding the production of hydrogen from water, without an electrolyte.
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This is also patently false, see Steiner, true organic farming. As far as i know presently, Hemp has 2 natural pest "enemys" which i believe would be solved if the growing of "THC" Hemp was permitted, afterall, the THC is there as a defence for the plant, not as a party favour for human's.
Still doesn't solve the fertilizer and irrigation problem.
Still does not solve the problem in your world of mis-information because you have absolutely no idea regarding Steiner's method of farming.
Now if you did, you just might be able to comprehend the proper use of farm land without the use of synthetic fertilizers and pestisides, also without the need for vastly complicated irrigation setup's.
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For those who want to replace oil, don't worry too much. Peak oil is coming soon.
This statement pretty much sum's up this F.U.D miester's im-practical purpose in posting here.
Major Technology Breakthrough! Burn Water as your Automotive Fuel! HHO Part One
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"Regulator!" Now you, too, can be fashionable, "green" and smarter than the O.P.E.C.s and run your automobile off water, not gasoline. This is the technology George Bush2 and his ilk, and L. Ron Hubbard and the Scientologists, and narCONon, do not want you to know about!
Tesla was murdered to keep you ignorant about this technology! Flying saucers, driven by space aliens, use this technology and YOU CAN TOO!
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Quite a slick video, kinda like Loose Change.
I'd give up on this idea of running cars on water if there weren't all the stories of mysterious deaths surrounding them. At the very least, HHO could be made using nano solar panels on cars.
I'd give up on this idea of running cars on water if there weren't all the stories of mysterious deaths surrounding them. At the very least, HHO could be made using nano solar panels on cars.
I'm hardly the person qualified to make a case for either side. I posted because it is important to see both sides of the argument in regards to this. I was hoping Tripled would take the bait but he hasn't been around in a while.
