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blu



Joined: 27 Aug 2006
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Post Hello I am a Jew. Reply with quote
Hello to all my fellow Jews and gentiles out there.

I am new to this site and I hope I can contribute to our collective enlightenment.

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Tue Aug 29, 2006 7:06 pm
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Benjamin Freedman



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welcome
Tue Aug 29, 2006 7:07 pm
blu



Joined: 27 Aug 2006
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Hey thanks Benjamin. I would just like to say that I enjoy your questions and don't pretend

to have all the answers ... heck if I knew everything I wouldn't be here ... and I

too am seeking knowledge.

Very Happy
Tue Aug 29, 2006 7:18 pm
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the_names_james



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Do you recognise the Talmud as your holy book?
Thu Aug 31, 2006 1:18 pm
suzettewhippette



Joined: 30 Jul 2006
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Post Blu's answer will tell us everything we need to know. Reply with quote
Here is a link to an e-book, "The Talmud Unmasked".

http://www.jrbooksonline.com/Talmud%20Unmasked/talmudx.htm

Here is a photo which exemplifies the Talmud.
Thu Aug 31, 2006 2:32 pm
Whitewraithe



Joined: 15 Aug 2006
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HISTORICAL ZIONIST QUOTES ...


"We must expel Arabs and take their places."
-- David Ben Gurion, 1937, Ben Gurion and the Palestine Arabs, Oxford University Press, 1985.


"We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population."
-- David Ben-Gurion, May 1948, to the General Staff. From Ben-Gurion, A Biography, by Michael Ben-Zohar, Delacorte, New York 1978.


"There has been Anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?"
-- Quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp. 121-122.


"Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because geography books no longer exist. Not only do the books not exist, the Arab villages are not there either. Nahlal arose in the place of Mahlul; Kibbutz Gvat in the place of Jibta; Kibbutz Sarid in the place of Huneifis; and Kefar Yehushua in the place of Tal al-Shuman. There is not a single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population."
-- David Ben Gurion, quoted in The Jewish Paradox, by Nahum Goldmann, Weidenfeld and Nicolson, 1978, p. 99.


"Let us not ignore the truth among ourselves ... politically we are the aggressors and they defend themselves... The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down, and in their view we want to take away from them their country."
-- David Ben Gurion, quoted on pp 91-2 of Chomsky's Fateful Triangle, which appears in Simha Flapan's "Zionism and the Palestinians pp 141-2 citing a 1938 speech.


"If I knew that it was possible to save all the children of Germany by transporting them to England, and only half by transferring them to the Land of Israel, I would choose the latter, for before us lies not only the numbers of these children but the historical reckoning of the people of Israel."
-- David Ben-Gurion (Quoted on pp 855-56 in Shabtai Teveth's Ben-Gurion in a slightly different translation).

David Ben Gurion
Prime Minister of Israel
1949 - 1954,
1955 - 1963


"There is no such thing as a Palestinian people... It is not as if we came and threw them out and took their country. They didn't exist."
-- Golda Meir, statement to The Sunday Times, 15 June, 1969.

"How can we return the occupied territories? There is nobody to return them to."
-- Golda Meir, March 8, 1969.

"Any one who speaks in favor of bringing the Arab refugees back must also say how he expects to take the responsibility for it, if he is interested in the state of Israel. It is better that things are stated clearly and plainly: We shall not let this happen."
-- Golda Meir, 1961, in a speech to the Knesset, reported in Ner, October 1961

"This country exists as the fulfillment of a promise made by God Himself. It would be ridiculous to ask it to account for its legitimacy."
-- Golda Meir, Le Monde, 15 October 1971

Golda Meir
Prime Minister of Israel
1969 - 1974


"We walked outside, Ben-Gurion accompanying us. Allon repeated his question, What is to be done with the Palestinian population?' Ben-Gurion waved his hand in a gesture which said 'Drive them out!"
-- Yitzhak Rabin, leaked censored version of Rabin memoirs, published in the New York Times, 23 October 1979.

"[Israel will] create in the course of the next 10 or 20 years conditions which would attract natural and voluntary migration of the refugees from the Gaza Strip and the west Bank to Jordan. To achieve this we have to come to agreement with King Hussein and not with Yasser Arafat."
-- Yitzhak Rabin (a "Prince of Peace" by Clinton's standards), explaining his method of ethnically cleansing the occupied land without stirring a world outcry. (Quoted in David Shipler in the New York Times, 04/04/1983 citing Meir Cohen's remarks to the Knesset's foreign affairs and defense committee on March 16.)

Yitzhak Rabin
Prime Minister of Israel
1974 - 1977,
1992 - 1995


"[The Palestinians] are beasts walking on two legs."

-- Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin, speech to the Knesset, quoted in Amnon Kapeliouk, "Begin and the 'Beasts,"' New Statesman, June 25, 1982.

"The Partition of Palestine is illegal. It will never be recognized .... Jerusalem was and will for ever be our capital. Eretz Israel will be restored to the people of Israel. All of it. And for Ever."
-- Menachem Begin, the day after the U.N. vote to partition Palestine.

Menachem Begin
Prime Minister of Israel
1977 - 1983


"The past leaders of our movement left us a clear message to keep Eretz Israel from the Sea to the River Jordan for future generations, for the mass aliya (=Jewish immigration), and for the Jewish people, all of whom will be gathered into this country."
-- Former Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir declares at a Tel Aviv memorial service for former Likud leaders, November 1990. Jerusalem Domestic Radio Service.

"The settlement of the Land of Israel is the essence of Zionism. Without settlement, we will not fulfill Zionism. It's that simple."
-- Yitzhak Shamir, Maariv, 02/21/1997.

"(The Palestinians) would be crushed like grasshoppers ... heads smashed against the boulders and walls."
-- Isreali Prime Minister (at the time) Yitzhak Shamir in a speech to Jewish settlers New York Times April 1, 1988

Yizhak Shamir
Prime Minister of Israel
1983 - 1984,
1986 - 1992


"Israel should have exploited the repression of the demonstrations in China, when world attention focused on that country, to carry out mass expulsions among the Arabs of the territories."
-- Benyamin Netanyahu, then Israeli Deputy Foreign Minister, former Prime Minister of Israel, speaking to students at Bar Ilan University, from the Israeli journal Hotam, November 24, 1989.

Benjamin Netanyahu
Prime Minister of Israel
1996 - 1999


"The Palestinians are like crocodiles, the more you give them meat, they want more"....
-- Ehud Barak, Prime Minister of Israel at the time - August 28, 2000. Reported in the Jerusalem Post August 30, 2000

"If we thought that instead of 200 Palestinian fatalities, 2,000 dead would put an end to the fighting at a stroke, we would use much more force...."
-- Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak, quoted in Associated Press, November 16, 2000.

"I would have joined a terrorist organization."
-- Ehud Barak's response to Gideon Levy, a columnist for the Ha'aretz newspaper, when Barak was asked what he would have done if he had been born a Palestinian.

Ehud Barak
Prime Minister of Israel
1999 - 2001


"It is the duty of Israeli leaders to explain to public opinion, clearly and courageously, a certain number of facts that are forgotten with time. The first of these is that there is no Zionism, colonialization, or Jewish State without the eviction of the Arabs and the expropriation of their lands."
-- Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, addressing a meeting of militants from the extreme right-wing Tsomet Party, Agence France Presse, November 15, 1998.

"Everybody has to move, run and grab as many (Palestinian) hilltops as they can to enlarge the (Jewish) settlements because everything we take now will stay ours...Everything we don't grab will go to them."
-- Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, addressing a meeting of the Tsomet Party, Agence France Presse, Nov. 15, 1998.

"Israel may have the right to put others on trial, but certainly no one has the right to put the Jewish people and the State of Israel on trial."
-- Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, 25 March, 2001 quoted in BBC News Online

Ariel Sharon
Prime Minister of Israel
2001 - 2006



This is pure racial intolerance and vehement hatred by Jewish leaders.

How can anyone deny it?!!!
Thu Aug 31, 2006 3:13 pm
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blu



Joined: 27 Aug 2006
Posts: 100

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The Talmud link has alot of info ... I know some Talmud and I am no means

an espert, Talmud is really like an ocean and I only drank a few drops of it.

... I will put it on my list of to read ... thanks.

The Palestinian situation ... one easy solution would be for the 22 Arab nations to

take them in pro rata or whatever. How come the Arabs don't do that ?

Problem solved no ?

Rolling Eyes
Thu Aug 31, 2006 3:43 pm
Benjamin Freedman



Joined: 16 Apr 2006
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the infiltration of arab nation governments had shown its colors in latest attack on lebanon
- how many arab nations did really help?
Thu Aug 31, 2006 3:53 pm
blu



Joined: 27 Aug 2006
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Infiltration or lack of true compassion from their fellow Arabs ?

In a similar situation ?

WWTJD ?

What would the Jews do ?

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Benjamin Freedman



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jews help themselves no doubt about it.


personally i wonder what good is such segregation.

we should be all helping ourselves based on our character and actions.
Thu Aug 31, 2006 4:53 pm
blu



Joined: 27 Aug 2006
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Are you saying that the Jews would have handled this situation differently ?

Are you saying that the Jews would have solved this problem already ?


Rolling Eyes
Thu Aug 31, 2006 5:00 pm
Benjamin Freedman



Joined: 16 Apr 2006
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some of them certainly yes.

however we keep in mind that infiltration and unwillingness of other Arab governments to help Palestine or Lebanon
it's not an apology for atrocities which Israel is comitting in there.
Thu Aug 31, 2006 5:06 pm
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blu



Joined: 27 Aug 2006
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My point is that historically Jews have learned that if you are not welcomed

somewehere ... it's time to get the hell out !

Simple thinking, but complicated for some.

What's the alternative ? ... Teach your kids to be suicide bombers ??

Oh that's real brilliant.

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Thu Aug 31, 2006 5:12 pm
Maxout500



Joined: 25 Aug 2006
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That is simple thinking and very harsh. It's very black and white. I guess you could than go on and say that the remaining Palestinians are all potential terrorist. That even the most educated Palestinians are idots for staying. There is more here than the television images or the articles in the New York Time that we're not aware of, so maybe it's best to not makes assumptions and critize those assumptions as Eric says.
Thu Aug 31, 2006 5:55 pm
blu



Joined: 27 Aug 2006
Posts: 100

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what assumptions are there to the fact that teaching your kids to NOT become

a suicide bomber is a NO BRAINER ?
Thu Aug 31, 2006 5:58 pm
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