Murdoch's Deeply Hidden Jewish Roots -- A Biography
By Christopher Bollyn – American Free Press
Murdoch “became an American citizen for business reasons,” according to Richard H. Curtiss, editor of the Washington Report on Middle East Affairs. Keith Rupert was born in Melbourne, Australia, on March 11, 1931. “Rupert’s father, Sir Keith Murdoch, was a newspaper publisher, and his mother an Orthodox Jew,” Curtiss wrote, “although Murdoch never offers that information in his biographies.”
Murdoch’s father married Elisabeth Joy Greene, daughter of Rupert Greene in 1928. They had one son, Keith Rupert and three daughters. Later in life, Keith Rupert chose to use Rupert, the first name of his Jewish maternal grandfather.
The young Keith Rupert was educated at Australia’s fashionable Geelong private school, and went on to the elitist and aristocratic Oxford University in England, according to Candour (UK) magazine.
“Rupert’s father Sir Keith Murdoch attained his prominent position in Australian society through a fortuitous marriage to the daughter of a wealthy Jewish family, née Elisabeth Joy Greene. Through his wife’s connections, Keith Murdoch was subsequently promoted from reporter to chairman of the British-owned newspaper where he worked. There was enough money to buy himself a knighthood of the British realm, two newspapers in Adelaide, South Australia, and a radio station in a faraway mining town,” Candour wrote in 1984. “For some reason, Murdoch has always tried to hide the fact that his pious mother brought him up as a Jew.”
While Murdoch may have “tried to hide” his Jewish roots, he has been quite forthright about his support for extreme right-wing Zionists, such as Benjamin Netanyahu and Ariel Sharon.
Netanyahu, who wrote a book entitled The War on Terror: How the West Can Win in 1986, is a frequent commentator on Murdoch’s Fox News.
Murdoch’s support for Zionism extremists is well known and a matter of record. As New York Governor George Pataki said, “There is no newspaper in the U.S. more supportive of Israel than the [Murdoch’s] New York Post.”
It is through a network of Zionist organizations, in which Murdoch plays a central role, that Murdoch is connected to the individuals who arranged the privatization – and obtained control of the World Trade Center – shortly before its destruction.
These key individuals are: Larry Silverstein and the former Israeli commando Frank Lowy, the lease holders of dubious repute who gained control of the WTC property six weeks before 9/11, and Port Authority Chairman Lewis M. Eisenberg, who authorized the transfer of the leases.
Murdoch belongs to, and has been honored by, a number of leading Zionist organizations in which Silverstein, Lowy, and Eisenberg all hold senior positions. These organizations include the Anti-Defamation League (ADL), the United Jewish Appeal (UJA), and the New York-based Museum of Jewish Heritage - A Living Memorial to the Holocaust.
Fifty days before 9/11, Silverstein Properties and Lowy’s Westfield America secured 99-year leases on the WTC. The Port Authority of New York and New Jersey turned control of the World Trade Center over to the private hands of Silverstein and Lowy on July 24, 2001.
Silverstein and Lowy then took control of the 10.6 million-square-foot complex, which included the twin towers office buildings and two nine-story office buildings. Silverstein and the former Israeli commando Lowy then controlled all access to the World Trade Center.
Lowy leased the shopping concourse called the Mall at the World Trade Center, which comprised about 427,000 square feet of retail space.
“Six weeks before the WTC towers were destroyed, the Port Authority completed the process of leasing them for 99 years to Larry Silverstein, the developer who had built 7 World Trade Center [which mysteriously self-demolished at 5:25 p.m. on 9/11].
“Simultaneously, the retail space underneath the complex was leased to Westfield America, the US division of an Australian company that is one of the world’s largest operators of shopping malls.” Paul Goldberger wrote in New Yorker, May 20, 2002.
“Silverstein and Westfield were given the right to rebuild the structures if they were destroyed, and Westfield has the right to expand the retail space by 30 percent,” Goldberger wrote.
Silverstein is suing for some $7.2 billion in insurance money for the loss of the destroyed World Trade Center – and his expected earnings – for property he had leased with a down payment of $100 million – of borrowed funds.
Murdoch the Zionist
“Murdoch is a close friend of Ariel Sharon,” Sam Kiley, The Times (UK) veteran journalist on the Middle East wrote about the man who took over the once famous British paper. Kiley said Murdoch’s friendship with the Israeli prime minister had caused senior staff at the paper to rewrite important copy.
“Murdoch’s executives were so afraid of irritating him that, when I pulled off a little scoop of tracking down and photographing the unit in the Israeli army which killed Mohammed al-Durrah, the 12-year-old boy whose death was captured on film and became the iconic image of the conflict, I was asked to file the piece ‘without mentioning the dead kid.’” Kiley wrote. “After that conversation, I was left wordless, so I quit.”
Sharon and Murdoch are old friends. On Oct. 15, 1982, a month after the massacres of thousands of Palestinian refugees in the Sabra and Shatila camps of Beirut, war crimes which occurred under Sharon’s direct command, the Israeli defense minister held meetings with Rupert Murdoch and others, reportedly in order to advance his “West Bank real estate grab.”
The visit with Sharon included a trip for Murdoch and his editors from New York and London that “took them on a bird’s-eye tour of Israel aboard a helicopter gunship, flying over the Golan Heights, West Bank and settlements.”
“I have always believed in the future of Israel and the goals of the international Jewish community,” Murdoch said at a spring fund-raiser for the Museum of Jewish Heritage - A Living Memorial to the Holocaust on April 29, 2001.
From the beginning, News Corp., his global media company, “has been supportive of the Jewish national cause,” Murdoch said.
Larry Silverstein, who had not yet acquired the lease on the World Trade Center, attended the fund-raiser with Murdoch and reportedly said about museum chairman Robert Morgenthau’s plans to expand the museum: “I’ll support you…as long as you keep it under 110 stories.”
Murdoch and the ADL
“Henry Kissinger, Rupert Murdoch and Mortimer Zuckerman are on the [ADL] dinner committee,” according to a recent New York Times report on the ADL’s recent fund-raiser in which the controversial Italian prime minister Silvio Berlusconi received the ADL’s Distinguished Statesman Award.
Silverstein and Eisenberg have both held senior leadership positions with the United Jewish Appeal (UJA), a billion dollar Zionist “charity” organization, to which Murdoch and Lowy generously contribute. In 1997, Henry Kissinger presented Murdoch with the UJA’s award for “Humanitarian of the Year.”
Silverstein is a former chairman of UJA. This organization raises hundreds of millions of dollars every year for a network of Zionist agencies in the United States and Israel. Eisenberg, who was instrumental in obtaining the lease for Silverstein, is on the Planning Board of UJA.
Eisenberg in his role with the Port Authority was the key person who negotiated the 99-year leases for Silverstein and Frank Lowy’s Westfield America, who were in fact the low-bidders for the lease on the 110-story towers and the retail mall.
Murdoch and the Czechoslovakian-born Israeli commando Frank Lowy, a former fighter in Israel’s Golani Brigade, who emigrated to Australia in the 1950s, have had a long friendship, which Murdoch recounted during an American Australian Association fund-raising dinner in honor of Frank’s son, Peter S. Lowy, in New York on November 20, 2002. Larry Silverstein and his wife also attended the American Australian event.
Some reporters refer to the American Australian Association, whose membership includes James Wolfensohn, the president of the World Bank, who raised cash for Rupert Murdoch when he first expanded into the United States, as “the kangaroo mafia.”
“Frank was a brave and determined fighter,” Rafi Kocer, Lowy’s former commander, said. Lowy has donated some $350,000 to build a memorial museum in Israel for his former brigade.
Today, Lowy and his three sons control Westfield Corporation, one of the largest operators of shopping centers in the United States – and the world.
Insured Against Terrorist Attacks
On September 12, 2001, The Jerusalem Post reported: “Frank Lowy, who emigrated to Australia from Israel in 1952, owns the 99-year lease for the 425,000 square foot retail portion of the destroyed World Trade Center…Westfield said today that it has insurance cover against terrorist attacks and its earnings will not be materially affected.”
Lowy, is described by the Sydney Morning Herald as “a self-made man with a strong interest in the Holocaust and Israeli politics.” Play The Pilot for a 13 episode Fox TV series called "The Lone Gunmen" which was aired on 3/2/2001 !!!Before 9/11/2001!!!.
In the pilot episode the bad guys fly a passenger plane by remote control with intentions of crashing it into the World Trade Center...
The villains were a Pentagon insider faction ...
The motive to inflame the public and thereby legitimize new military budgets and operations ... sound familiar?
Latest on Larry's World Trade Center (ex WTCs 1&2)
George Bush, researchers discovered, is a Christian. He does not conceal this. He backs the state of Israel and all their stupid policies. Therefore? Therefore, what does it matter if Murdoch has Jewish roots and backs Israel!!!!!
+ SUPPORT ISRAELI POLICIES + OPPOSE ISRAELI POLICIES
JEWS + Some Jewish Right Wingers + Some Jewish Left Wingers
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NON-JEWS + Some Christian Right Wingers + Some Christian Left Wingers
I think geneologies are interesting in helping to know possible motives of people. This is especially true to tribalistic Judaism. Ultimately, we should only condemn people for their actions, but those actions can be explained better if we know the person's background and possible motives.
So George Bush is a Christian? Well he's obviously a Christian Zionist, and some say he studies Talmud as well.
Murdoch is Jewish? That could explain a lot of his actions. If he wasn't, then he'd be a gentile Zionist.
Madeline Albright? She's Jewish too, and has been hiding it. Does it explain her bias to Israel, and dismissal of Iraqi children's deaths? It's probably a factor.
Let's say for a second that the USA was supporting India against Pakistan. It was doing this unfairly and against American interests, and causing a lot of hate and animosity in the process. Then let's say that we find top Americans in government and the media just happened to be Hindu, were in 'Hindu friends of India' organisations, took money from Indian PACS, have Indian ancestry, some pretend to be Christians but are originally Hindu (John Kerry comes to mind) etc. Wouldn't be reasonable in our analysis that they being Hindu, or from Indian ancestry, might have something to do with their bias towards India? It's only one of the factors, sure, and we only blame them for their actions. But knowing this helps people understand possible 'Whys' the actions are being done.
Gee wiz, Rumsfeld is Jewish and so is Murdoch, that could explain??? Nothing. These are reductionistic arguments that have very little basis in truth. This has nothing to do with genealogy. If you understood basic philosophy you would know that people make choices all the time despite their pasts. The idea that all Jews think the same way is a tenet of anti-Semites. It is just like those racists who think that all African Americans think the same way. This site claims to be anti-racist, but it apparently is home to many anti-Semites. Please don't patronize me with that stuff about Jews not being semites. There is a vernacular term which has a logic and meaning, e.g. America means the United States, even if there is Latin America. History is about the past, even if some dangle around the term "herstory," etc. It is true that many Jews have supported Israel. Just as many Muslims have supported Syria and Iran (two other warlike nations). Does that mean some Muslim sitting in Chicago somewhere is a Syria supporter? I think that many of you have to realize that either you don't understand basic logic and sociology or need some fix for you hatred of Israel that can't be found by protesting its policies. Sartre said anti-Semitism is the socialism of fools. Maybe you should read him.
We shall drive the Christians into war by exploiting their national vanity and stupidity. They will then massacre each other, thus giving room for our own people.? Rabbi Reichorn in Le Contemporain, July 1, 1880
ask your self how there being exploited !!!
and geneologies has every think to do with it ,like when you go for a new job and they ask on your application form what religion are you ,why do you think they ask this??? so they can have an insight into what you think and to how you would behave
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"These are reductionistic arguments that have very little basis in truth. This has nothing to do with genealogy. If you understood basic philosophy you would know that people make choices all the time despite their pasts."
True, there are many people who betray their pasts, and there are those who do things dspite their pasts. For example, the kings of Jordan claim descedancy from Prophet Mohammed, yet are some of the most anti-Islamic, traitorous, corrupt people in the Arab world (and that's saying something).
Also, there are many Jews who speak out against Israeli crimes and policies, despite their shared heritage. They are slandered as 'self-hating Jews' by some, I guess if all of us in this forum were Jews, that's what you'd be calling us.
"If you understood basic philosophy you would know that people make choices all the time despite their pasts." True, but if you knew basic behavioural science, you would know that many times, people act in the interests of the group they see themselves belonging to. Again, look at my Hindu allegory to see why we want to identify Jews in government and media, to see if they have allegiances to Israel against America's interests.
"The idea that all Jews think the same way is a tenet of anti-Semites. It is just like those racists who think that all African Americans think the same way."
We say that a person being Jewish is ONE factor. We also look into their associations, their loyalties, etc, but only in the context to explain their ACTIONS. Nowhere do we claim that all Jews think alike. Nowhere do we assume that since so-and-so is Jewish, therefore he must be Zionist. You're making assumptions here. We go out after Christian Zionists as much as Jewish ones.
"Does that mean some Muslim sitting in Chicago somewhere is a Syria supporter?"
Not necessarily, but we're not facing an American administration whose Middle East policy is written and dominated by Syrians/Muslims. If the USA was unfairly supporting Syrian/Iranian dictators against American interests, I think you would also like to find out why. And if you find that Muslims in government were the ones pushing for blind American support to Syria/Iran, wouldn't you consider that a factor worth looking into, at least to explain this otherwise detrimental support?
So you accuse us of anti-Semitism then. Why don't you look into our evidences and fix our ways? 'Anti-Semite' is an insult designed to intimidate and stop debate, and we're not falling for it. You wanna participate in this forum, provide proofs and arguments, not insults and slander.
Looking at this thread, you could either have said:
1 Wow, I never knew Murdoch is Jewish.
2 Murdoch's not Jewish, and here's my proof/reasoning
3 It doesn't matter what his background is, these are the real issues
You seem to have gone with 3, and then attacked us as anti-Semites for even bringing it up.
I think geneologies are interesting in helping to know possible motives of people
this is a quote from you monkeyzerg
and if you read my post properly you would see that the point i was pointing out is that people ask for your religion to have an insight to how you would behave .
ive seen the naked truth but iam not about to lose my religion over a doc
i need to do my own research on the matter but iam researching other stuff at the mo
i rate jordan maxwell very highley and i understand his points and is one of the best researchers ever but
as it is my fathers wish iam not about to go to lose my religion as i have morals so dont carry on trying to sway me ive watched nearly all of his work and i understand
when it comes to my kids i will let them make there own decisions
Mon Aug 21, 2006 5:52 am
madthumbs
Joined: 22 Feb 2006 Posts: 8249 Location: Fingerlakes - NY usa
So I have no morals because I'm not religious? So I'm atheist because I don't believe in Jesus or the Bible?
"These are reductionistic arguments that have very little basis in truth. This has nothing to do with genealogy. If you understood basic philosophy you would know that people make choices all the time despite their pasts."
True, there are many people who betray their pasts, and there are those who do things dspite their pasts. For example, the kings of Jordan claim descedancy from Prophet Mohammed, yet are some of the most anti-Islamic, traitorous, corrupt people in the Arab world (and that's saying something).
Also, there are many Jews who speak out against Israeli crimes and policies, despite their shared heritage. They are slandered as 'self-hating Jews' by some, I guess if all of us in this forum were Jews, that's what you'd be calling us.
COMMENT: FINALLY, SOMEONE WHO CAN REALLY READ AND UNDERSTAND AN ARGUMENT!
"If you understood basic philosophy you would know that people make choices all the time despite their pasts." True, but if you knew basic behavioural science, you would know that many times, people act in the interests of the group they see themselves belonging to. Again, look at my Hindu allegory to see why we want to identify Jews in government and media, to see if they have allegiances to Israel against America's interests.
COMMENT: THERE ARE TWO PROBLEMS. FIRST, ISRAEL IS NOT A MONO-LITH, BELIEVE IT OR NOT THE THUGS RUNNING THE COUNTRY NOW ARE NOT ACTING IN ISRAEL'S INTERESTS. THUS, WHEN JEWS SUPPORT WAR IN LEBANON THEY ARE NOT ACTING IN ISRAEL'S INTERESTS. THE WAR WAS DAMAGING TO ISRAEL. SECOND, AND WHAT ABOUT THE JEWS IN THE MEDIA AND UNIVERSITIES WHO ACT AGAINST ISRAEL'S SELF-PERCEIVED INTERESTS? THESE JEWS USED PART OF THEIR HERITAGE TO SUPPORT PEACE AND JUSTICE TO OPPOSE WAR. SO, THE JEWISH BACKGROUND OF PEOPLE COULD LEAD TO ANY NUMBER OF DECISIONS. IN CONTRAST, IN MANY COUNTRIES THERE IS NO DEBATE OR EVEN OPOSING POLITICAL PARTIES. THERE IS A CONSENSUS TO SUPPORT WAR POLICIES IN ISRAEL DESPITE ITS DEMOCRACY (WHICH IS ALSO LIMITED IN ITS ABILITY TO INCORPORATE CERTAIN GROUPS), BUT THERE IS AN OPPOSITION THERE THAT IS PARTLY RELEVANT.
"The idea that all Jews think the same way is a tenet of anti-Semites. It is just like those racists who think that all African Americans think the same way."
We say that a person being Jewish is ONE factor. We also look into their associations, their loyalties, etc, but only in the context to explain their ACTIONS. Nowhere do we claim that all Jews think alike. Nowhere do we assume that since so-and-so is Jewish, therefore he must be Zionist. You're making assumptions here. We go out after Christian Zionists as much as Jewish ones.
COMMENT: THIS IS TOTALLY ILLOGICAL. YOU WANT TO FILTER OUT THE JEWISH PART AND THEN YOU LOOK AT OTHER PARTS, BUT YOU NEVER EXPLAIN WHY AND WHEN THE JEWISH PART IS RELEVANT. IF SOMEONE IS JEWISH AND THEY ENTER THE PEACE MOVEMENT IS IT BECAUSE THEY ARE JEWISH OR BECAUSE OF SOMETHING ELSE? IF SOMEONE OWNS SLAVES IS IT BECAUSE THEY ARE JEWISH OR SOMETHING ELSE? THERE ARE MUTLIPLE CAUSES BUT YOU PEOPLE NEVER EVER EXPLAIN WHY THE JEWISH FACTOR IS EVEN RELEVANT. THE REACTIONARY JEWISH SUPPORTERS IN THE PENTAGON AND THE RADICAL JEWS WHO OPPOSE ISRAEL. BOTH JEWS. THEREFORE, IT SEEMS THAT EITHER THE JEWISH PART CONTRIBUTES TO BOTH WAR AND PEACE ACTIONS AND IDEOLOGIES, OR MORE LOGICALLY, THE JEWISH PART IS NOT DETERMINATIVE. YOU DON'T CLAIM THAT ALL JEWS ARE ALIKE, BUT YOU MAKE INFERENCES ABOUT PEOPLE'S MOTIVATIONS AND ACTIONS BASED ON THEIR JEWISH BACKGROUND. THIS AMOUNTS TO ALMOST THE SAME THING AND IS FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES IDENTICAL. DIDN'T THE ABOLITIONS USE THE BIBLE? BEFORE ONE OF YOU WAS LINKING THE BIBLE TO SLAVE SUPPORT. ANYONE CAN READ ANYTHING INTO ANYTHING AND MISINTERPRET IT.
"Does that mean some Muslim sitting in Chicago somewhere is a Syria supporter?"
Not necessarily, but we're not facing an American administration whose Middle East policy is written and dominated by Syrians/Muslims. If the USA was unfairly supporting Syrian/Iranian dictators against American interests, I think you would also like to find out why. And if you find that Muslims in government were the ones pushing for blind American support to Syria/Iran, wouldn't you consider that a factor worth looking into, at least to explain this otherwise detrimental support?
COMMENT: THERE MAY BE AN INFLUENCE OF AN ISRAELI LOBBY IN WASHINGTON, DC. THE PROBLEM AS SOME HAVE ARGUED IS THAT THE CONSTRAINTS ON INFLUENCE OF ANY LOBBY ON THE MILITARY PLANNERS IS VERY CONSTRAINED. YOU HAVE TO DEMONSTRATE CAUSATION. IT COULD BE THAT WACKO FUNDAMENTALIST CHRISTIANS WANT TO SUPPORT ISRAELI WAR INTERESTS BECAUSE IT MEETS THEIR AGENDA AND HAPPENS TO OVERLAP. IF YOU WERE TO SIMPLY SPEAK ABOUT THE ISRAELI LOBBY INSTEAD OF JEWS, ONE MIGHT THINK YOU HAVE AN ARGUMENT. BUT, YOU DON'T. YOU DIG UP THE JEWISH FACTOR WHICH IS PARTLY IRRELEVANT. FURTHERMORE, THE ISRAELI LOBBY IS NOT ACTING IN THE BEST INTERESTS OF ISRAEL SO THE WAR BUREAUCRATS WITH MILITARY BACKGROUNDS WHO SUPPORT WAR LIKE POLICIES ARE NOT EVEN ACTING IN ISRAEL'S INTERESTS. FURTHERMORE, IT IS UNCLEAR WHY WOLFOWITZ'S JEWISH BACKGROUND IS RELEVANT. THIS PART ABOUT RUMSFELD BEING JEWISH IS JUST PART OF A WAY TO STRETCH THE ARGUMENT TO AN ABSURDITY, THE CULTURAL DETERMINIST SOCIOLOGY YOU PEOPLE BUY INTO. FURTHERMORE, CHENEY, BUSH, AND RICE ARE THE DOMINANT BUREAUCRATS. THEY ARE NOT JEWISH. IF YOU PEOPLE CAN READ BOOKS, PICK UP THE BOOK CALLED THE RISE OF THE VULCANS. THEN YOU WILL SEE WHAT SUPPORTED THESE TENDENCIES.
So you accuse us of anti-Semitism then. Why don't you look into our evidences and fix our ways? 'Anti-Semite' is an insult designed to intimidate and stop debate, and we're not falling for it. You wanna participate in this forum, provide proofs and arguments, not insults and slander.
COMMENT: YOU PEOPLE ENGAGE IN ANTI-SEMITISM AND THEN TRY TO SUGGEST I AM OPPOSING DEBATE. I AM CREATING A DEBATE, THE THEME OF WHICH IS, DON'T ENGAGE IN REDUCATIONISM ABOUT JEWS AND THEN EQUATE THIS WITH THE POLICIES OF A GROUP OF WARLIKE ISRAELIS AND THEIR SUPPORTERS IN THE USA. DO NOT ENGAGE IN FAULTY THEORIES ABOUT CAUSATION AND EXPECT ME NOT TO EXPOSE THEM FOR WHAT THEY ARE.
Looking at this thread, you could either have said:
1 Wow, I never knew Murdoch is Jewish.
2 Murdoch's not Jewish, and here's my proof/reasoning
3 It doesn't matter what his background is, these are the real issues
You seem to have gone with 3, and then attacked us as anti-Semites for even bringing it up.
COMMENT: THE POINT IS NOT THAT MURDOCH IS JEWISH. THE POINT IS HOW THAT IS USED TO EXPLAIN HIS ACTIONS. YOU PEOLE ENGAGE IN CULTURAL REDUCATIONISM THAT AMOUNTS TO ANTI-SEMITISM AND EXPECT TO GET AWAY WITH IT. WELL, YOU CAN'T. SECOND, IF THIS WERE JUST A HUMAN INTEREST STORY ABOUT HIS BEING JEWISH, I WOULD HAVE NO PROBLEMS. IT IS TRUE THAT JEWISHNESS OR ISLAMIC OR ARAB BACKGROUNDS CAN INFLUENCE SOME THINGS. BUT, GIVE THE DIFFERENCES AMONG JEWS ON SOME ASPECTS OF FOREIGN POLICY, THEY EXPLAIN TOO LITTLE. TRUE, SOME OR MANY JEWS BACK WACKO POLICIES OF ISRAEL. BUT, IS THAT BECAUSE THEY ARE JEWISH? ALSO, THE VAST MAJORITY OF BACKERS OF BUSH (WHO IS FAR MORE RELEVANT THAN THE LEADER OF ISRAEL) WERE NOT JEWS. A COMMON DENOMINATOR IS WHAT LINKS THE JEWS AND CHRISTIANS WHO BACK BUSH. THAT HAS VERY LITTLE TO DO WITH JEWS.
FINALLY, NOTICE WHAT I SAID AND DID NOT SAY.
(A) THE ARGUMENT IS NOT THAT I SUPPORT ISRAEL'S WAR POLICIES OR THE CHARACTER OF THE GOVERNMENT OF ISRAEL OR THE WAR IN LEBANON OR HIZBOLLAH FOR THAT MATTER.
(B) I DID NOT DENY THAT THERE MIGHT BE A SO-CALLED PRO ISRAEL LOBBY. I JUST WONDER IF THEY HAVE THE IMPACT THAT IS SUGGESTED THEY HAVE. AS IT IS, ANY INFLUENCE THEY HAVE ONLY PERPETUATES VIOLENCE THAT UNDERMINES THE ISRAELI STATE.
(C) I DON'T DENY THE NEED FOR A PALESTINIAN STATE AND DEMOCRATIC RIGHTS FOR PALESTINIAN PEOPLE.
IN CONCLUSION, MOST PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THE WORLD SUBSCRIBE TO BELEIFS THAT SUPPORT WAR AND ARE ANTAGONISTIC TO REAL DEMOCRACY. JEWS--AS WELL AS CHRISTIANS AND ARABS FOR THAT MATTER--ARE PART OF THIS WORLD. TO PICK OUT THE JEWISH PART THE WAY YOU PEOPLE DO IS ILLOGICAL AND IRRATIONAL. IT MATTERS SOMETIMES, BUT NOT IN WAYS YOU CAN EASILY PROVE. FOR EXAMPLE, THERE ARE DIFFERENCES WITHIN THE JEWISH RELIGIOUS GROUPS. THERE ARE DIFFERENCES AMONG JEWISH SECULAR GROUPS. THESE ARGUMENTS BUILD ON THAT OF AN ESSAY A FRIEND OF MINE IS WRITNG. BUT HE AND I WERE SO PISSED OFF, WE JUST INTRODUCE THEM HERE FOR YOUR BENEFIT.
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I think youve read a bit too far into what i was saying. All i was saying if you look carefully I was stateing a point that It's
relevant to know who your talking to based on what religion they are to have an insight to how they think
and ok they all have different points of views i didnt challeng that but to understand who your working with its GOOD to know what religion they are so i.e bond better , to not offend , you catch my drift
your saying that it not relevant to know what religion they are so how you going to understand what there about if you dont even no there BASIC moral traits .
SO SAY IF YOUR TALKING TO SOMEONE AND GET TO KNOW THEM FOR WHO THEY ARE THEN YOU FIND OUT THAT THERE JEWISH YOUR NOT GOING TO HAVE DOUBLE THOUGHTS ?????
I DONT THINK SO ,I THINK IF YOU FOUND OUT THAT THERE JEWISH YOUR NOT GOING TO AUTOMATICAL THINK GOOD PERSON ARE YOU .
so for that reason it's good to get it out the way first and get to know them for who they are not to be kept in the dark.
